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		<title>Relationships in Conflict: Depression&#8217;s Role</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 21:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some Rights Reserved by ComputerHotline at Flickr Depression is a natural enemy of close relationships. It helps build tension and conflict as a once-loving partner either withdraws into emotional isolation or turns angry and blaming. I suppose that’s inevitable since the loving support of a long-term relationship doesn’t fit the depressed view of an undeserving [...]]]></description>
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<p>Depression is a natural enemy of close relationships. It helps build tension and conflict as a once-loving partner either withdraws into emotional isolation or turns angry and blaming. I suppose that’s inevitable since the loving support of a long-term relationship doesn’t fit the depressed view of an undeserving and damaged self. Nor does it fit the phase of depression that blames the partner for causing the inner pain.</p>
<p>Either way, depressives push their partners off to a distance they can handle, and the partners search for explanations. A helpful one is to think of depression as a force that splits a person in two and starts an inner struggle between the healthy and depressed personalities. Then depression becomes the cause of conflict, the culprit that breaks apart the relationship.</p>
<p>My wife and I came to think in these terms and took comfort in imagining depression as the evil twin I needed to kick out of my life. That view gave us something to hope for. With each new treatment, there was another chance to get rid of the intruder and bring back the real me permanently. That’s how we’d end the tension and restore  what we could of a damaged relationship.</p>
<p>But there were problems with that approach. It took a lot of our energy away from dealing with the tension and conflict we lived with every day. It was true that I had to focus on ending depression &#8211; my wife couldn’t do that for me. And while I was working hard on doing that, she had to take care of herself. But we also needed to try every day to repair the weakened bond between us.<span id="more-2225"></span></p>
<p>Reconnecting with each other was just as crucial to recovery as the work I was doing on my own. Too often our effort to talk about it, though, came down to venting frustration, sometimes only confirming the worst. The one solution we kept coming back to began with progress in my treatment. And that was too long in coming.</p>
<p>In an earlier period, we had worked with therapists as a couple and had learned specific skills to get to the root of issues we fought over. We still tried to use them, but they no longer seemed adequate. I&#8217;ll detail some of these in another post and just say here that they were too rational and didn&#8217;t recognize the power of emotions to overwhelm them.</p>
<p>We needed ways to deal with the specific distortions that depression brought to the relationship. The first step was to recognize what they were.</p>
<p>	<strong>Depressed Ways of Thinking &#038; Feeling</strong></p>
<p>Here are a few that have been the strongest and most damaging to our relationship.</p>
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<p><strong>The Center of the World:</strong> First is the self-absorption that possessed me. Everything revolved around the pain I felt and the obsessive thinking that went with it. Whether I was in a phase of feeling worthless and causing all the unhappiness in my family &#8211; or blaming everything on them, the world revolved around me. My wife and every person I knew became players in my drama, projections of my depression, and I couldn&#8217;t see them for who they were.</p>
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<p><strong>Proof of Worthlessness:</strong> Wherever I looked, I found evidence to prove my own worthlessness. Anything that on its face supported the belief I had about what was happening I embraced immediately. Anything that contradicted it &#8211; especially if my wife or a close friend tried to be supportive and offer hope for the future &#8211; I’d attack and reject.</p>
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<p><strong>The Future is Fixed:</strong> All my thinking insisted that change was not possible. I would always be rotten &#8211; or I’d always be miserable. It will always be hopeless, and there will never be any remedy &#8211; except for an extreme one. That could mean suicide or complete escape into a new life where everything would be perfect.</p>
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<p><strong>Self-Defeat:</strong> With that conviction, I found myself fulfilling the prophecy of endless failure, disappointment and depression. I couldn’t possibly succeed &#8211; it just wasn’t meant to be. If others told me I had been successful, I knew that they simply couldn’t see through my false facade. They were completely wrong and not to be listened to.</p>
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<p><strong>Absolutes Rule:</strong> Everything I did was wrong. Everyone judged me. I could never be better. Hope was impossible. Treatments couldn&#8217;t work. I always failed. And on and on. My world of depression was full of absolutes. Everything was either good or bad. There were no complications.</p>
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<p>A relationship of love, trust and sharing disappeared in this perpetual storm of negativity. I couldn&#8217;t <em>see</em> my wife for the person she was.  I couldn&#8217;t even see myself.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_behavioral_therapy">Cognitive Behavioral Therapy</a> refers to these as “cognitive errors” and assumes that such habits of thinking produce the negative feelings of depression. By changing those habits, thinking, feeling and behavior can become more positive. You can start to see the world again in all its complexity and assess experience in a realistic manner.</p>
<p>That method has been of some help, but like so many others it assumes that rationality will prevail. The guiding assumption that thinking rules emotion doesn&#8217;t jibe with my experience. And I&#8217;m hardly the only one questioning this approach. Writers like Joseph LeDoux, in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0684836599?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=storiedmindco-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0684836599">The Emotional Brain</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=storiedmindco-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0684836599" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt=" Relationships in Conflict: Depressions Role" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" title="Relationships in Conflict: Depressions Role" />, and Antonio Damasio in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0156010755?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=storiedmindco-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0156010755">The Feeling of What Happens</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=storiedmindco-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0156010755" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt=" Relationships in Conflict: Depressions Role" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" title="Relationships in Conflict: Depressions Role" />, have written extensively about the intertwining of emotion and reason that gives rise to ideas and awareness.</p>
<p>In the next post, I&#8217;ll explain the approach that I&#8217;ve found most helpful. In the meantime, I&#8217;d like to hear about your experience.</p>
<p>Have you found ways to work with your partner to keep your relationship going while you’re also trying to deal with depression? What has worked for you?</p>
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		<title>Are You Still You When Your Partner Is Depressed?</title>
		<link>http://www.storiedmind.com/2009/11/06/are-you-still-you-when-your-partner-is-depressed/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 22:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some Rights Reserved by pargee at Flickr Over and over, I find online stories about the transformation of a loving partner, most often a man, into a depressed stranger. As I&#8217;ve often written here, I have been that stranger. I’ve told several stories about what happened during that time in my life and what I’ve [...]]]></description>
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<p>Over and over, I find online stories about the transformation of a loving partner, most often a man, into a depressed stranger. As I&#8217;ve often written here, I have been that stranger.</p>
<p>I’ve told several stories about what happened during that time in my life and what I’ve tried to learn from my own depressed behavior. I’ve described <a href="http://www.storiedmind.com/2007/10/06/the-longing-to-leave-2/">fantasies about becoming a new me</a>, <a href="http://www.storiedmind.com/2009/02/09/why-depressed-men-leave-1/">blaming my wife and my work for the unhappiness</a>, <a href="http://www.storiedmind.com/2007/12/16/caution-raging-man-in-residence/">losing control of myself in rage</a> &#8211; and then pulling out of it before losing everything. </p>
<p>The story was all about me, and that&#8217;s always the way it is when depression is ghost writing at my side. My wife had a different story. Of course, it started with the crisis I had set in motion but then shifted to everything she did to sustain herself.  When I &#8220;came back,&#8221; the old relationship didn&#8217;t come back with me. Instead, we had to create something different because we were both different. It wasn&#8217;t about me or her then but both of us.</p>
<p>Because of what I&#8217;ve been through and knowing how my wife took care of herself, I worry about many of the stories I read online. They tend to be all about <em>him</em>. I hear a great deal about what the depressed partner is doing, what may be wrong, his refusal to get help, his on-again off-again emotions, his confusion and pain. The hopef-for turning point of this story centers on whether or not he&#8217;ll get over it and return as the loving partner he used to be. </p>
<p>What I hear so much less about is the person who has to live with <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0060009349?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=storiedmindco-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0060009349">Depression Fallout</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=storiedmindco-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0060009349" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt=" Are You Still You When Your Partner Is Depressed?" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" title="Are You Still You When Your Partner Is Depressed?" /> as Anne Sheffield calls it &#8211; the emotional damage caused by living with a depressed partner.</p>
<p>I always want to ask, What about you?  Where are you in all this? Except for a brief mention here and there about pain and perhaps efforts to get help, I have a hard time getting as sharp a picture of who you are and what this relationship means for your own sense of self. </p>
<p>Are you worried you won’t be you anymore once he’s gone? Why do you think you can change him? Why do you ask only about what will happen to him?  Where are <em>you</em>?<span id="more-1578"></span></p>
<p>There is so much invested in a close relationship that it inevitably affects the sense of who we are. Each partner, hopefully, feels enough trust to open and share a usually closed emotional core. Once it&#8217;s clear the relationship is a lasting one, there&#8217;s a sense of fulfillment and sureness of commitment on both sides. I&#8217;m still me, but I&#8217;m also more.</p>
<p>Even when troubled, angry or hurt by each other, the emotional resonance and mingling can move two people to some sort of healing. It&#8217;s all the more shocking, then, when depression takes control of one partner and rips the relationship. It&#8217;s not only a betrayal; it takes away the part of me that emerged through closeness to my partner. That cuts too deeply. I won&#8217;t feel complete anymore. How can I survive this?</p>
<p>I think the depth of loss of that joint identity varies a lot. At one extreme, there&#8217;s a complete dependence on another person to feel like a &#8220;real&#8221; person. That&#8217;s what I went through In my early twenties when <a href="http://www.storiedmind.com/2007/11/24/the-longing-to-leave-3/">I had the experience of being left abruptly</a>. The crisis for me was extreme because I couldn&#8217;t imagine myself without this partner. I had no sense of my own value as a person and looked to her to make up for everything I wasn&#8217;t. In my state at the time, I could only feel OK because she was with me.</p>
<p>As I told myself, there was nothing left to fill the inner emptiness, so I fell apart. For a long time, I couldn&#8217;t accept what had happened and obsessed over the relationship, convinced I could do this or that to turn back the clock. Every attempt failed miserably, and my condition got worse and worse. It took a few years to get past that, but the long-term result was a much healthier sense of who I was.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s one extreme. Another is a level of independence of two people that they limit carefully the amount of time they spend together. There&#8217;s a fear of losing personal identity by getting too enmeshed in each other. One couple I knew (obviously wealthy) built side-by-side houses connected by a common space so that they could choose when to be together. If one had a serious problem like depression, there was certainly a loving concern but also a safe distance preserved to keep one from damaging the other &#8211; or so they thought.</p>
<p>There’s a balance that has to be found between needing a partner to feel good about yourself, as I did, and feeling so autonomous as to see a depressed partner’s problems as his own and having nothing to do with you.  </p>
<p>As Peter Kramer puts it in his thoughtful book, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0140272798?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=storiedmindco-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=0140272798">Should You Leave?</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=storiedmindco-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=0140272798" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt=" Are You Still You When Your Partner Is Depressed?" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" title="Are You Still You When Your Partner Is Depressed?" />, society as a whole values independence and <em>self</em>-fulfillment far more than fulfillment through the interdependence of a relationship. But the goal for so many is to combine both.</p>
<p>Kramer offers a beautiful image of the way two people can be closely entwined without losing their own identities. He tells about his great aunt, who offered this comparison when she learned of his wedding engagement.</p>
<blockquote><p>[She] pointed to a pair of white pines planted close together. They had developed a cone of  branches and needles around the two trunks, responding to the sun as a single tree; if you were to cut one down, the other would look unbalanced, bare on one side and rounded on the other. A couple, she said, should be like those trees.</p></blockquote>
<p>I suppose the continuing challenge is to find the balance between a healthy sense of one&#8217;s separate self and the shared identity of a close relationship. Neither can exclude the other, and even if relationships fail, they&#8217;ve given as much as they&#8217;ve taken away.</p>
<p>Sometimes I find out how the online stories have ended &#8211; though not so often as how they began. Usually, it&#8217;s encouraging, not because the relationship has been restored (that&#8217;s rare), but because an inner resilience has led to acceptance of what&#8217;s happened. The new story begins, and it&#8217;s all about you, no longer about him.</p>
<p>So that’s why I ask: where are you in the story you tell? Are you worried you won’t be you anymore once he’s gone?</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some Rights Reserved by nonofarahshila at Flickr I&#8217;ve written an overview post in this series on Depression Central, and I hope you&#8217;ll have a look at that. Thanks. Talking to a depressed partner can be more than frustrating. It can feel hopeless when you&#8217;re faced with a slammed door shutting you out completely or a [...]]]></description>
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<p><em>I&#8217;ve written an overview post in this series on <a href="http://www.healthcentral.com/depression/c/4446/76346/depressed-men">Depression Central</a>, and I hope you&#8217;ll have a look at that. Thanks.</em></p>
<p>Talking to a depressed partner can be more than frustrating. It can feel hopeless when you&#8217;re faced with a slammed door shutting you out completely or a furious attack full of blame and rejection. If your partner says anything, the words are likely either accusing you as the cause for the onset of severe depression, or angrily denying there&#8217;s any problem at all. Or you may not get any response and have to deal with someone who is emotionally absent, empty of feeling, gone from the relationship. This is likely the worst crisis you&#8217;ve ever faced with your partner.</p>
<p><strong>The First Step</strong></p>
<p>I discussed in a <a href="http://www.storiedmind.com/2009/06/18/talking-to-depression/">previous post</a> some approaches recommended by prominent authors to the partners of depressed people and mentioned <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1572243422?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=storiedmindco-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1572243422">Julie Fast&#8217;s</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=storiedmindco-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1572243422" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt=" Talking to Depression   2" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" title="Talking to Depression   2" /> &#8220;big picture&#8221; plan as the one that made the most sense to me.</p>
<p>The first step toward healing for your partner, as well as yourself and the relationship, is to recognize that it&#8217;s depression driving you apart. Both partners need to be able to sense the early signs of its onset. But only your partner can make a commitment to action and take charge of their own treatment. There are some ways you can help with this process, but you can&#8217;t do it for them or take on the leading role in recovery. That&#8217;s not your job. You didn&#8217;t cause the problem. You can&#8217;t cure it.<span id="more-1144"></span></p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to describe here how difficult that first step of recognition was in my case and then look at a method for getting a clearer picture of what&#8217;s happening, one that proved effective for my wife and for me. With the understanding and insight gained from that work, it slowly became possible to communicate without getting caught up in confrontations driven by depression.</p>
<p><strong>Recognizing the Shadow in the House</strong></p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve mentioned in an <a href="http://www.storiedmind.com/2009/02/26/why-depressed-men-leave-3/">earlier post</a>, for years I had a very limited understanding of what depression could do. Apart from the feelings of bleakness and despair, I never grasped that so many other things I was experiencing were linked to this condition. That&#8217;s important to know because a partner may be in treatment for depression but not be dealing with all its effects and distortions of thought and feeling.</p>
<p>I assumed that other symptoms, now so familiar to those who have tried to educate themselves about this condition, were either a part of my nature or were caused by some external circumstance. The anxiety, the obsessive way of thinking, the inability to focus and mental blank-outs seemed to be limitations that I could not change, even though they were by no means permanent. </p>
<p>My constant negative thinking and the shame I felt seemed justified by my inner failings. Projecting negative judgments about myself into the minds and attitudes of others also felt like reality. That&#8217;s the way they must be judging me. Everyone <em>should</em> think badly of me because I was empty inside.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I blamed my wife for the problems I imagined were plaguing our relationship. I could certainly see that I was contributing to them, but that didn&#8217;t stop me from raging at her and our kids for everthing &#8211; and for nothing.</p>
<p>All of this made any real communication about what was happening completely impossible. I cast around me a net of control to capture and hold everything still. Most of my crazy behavior was based on fear of ripping that net. Everything I saw felt like part of me, an extension of my nervous system. On the surface, I was enraged at each unexpected tremor, sudden shift, raised voice, spontaneous action. </p>
<p>But anger can be a mask for fear, and inwardly I often burned in fear, even panic. Any effort by my wife to tell me what she was seeing in me and the effect it was having on her and our children only prompted more anger as I denied I had any problem and shut her out even more.</p>
<p>How did we begin to cut through the defenses and barriers to real communication? At calmer moments, we applied some tools we had learned from a therapist and gradually retrained our reactions to each other. That process made a breakthrough possible, but it was a long time coming.</p>
<p><strong>Ideas on Coping with a Depressed Partner</strong></p>
<p>As Julie Fast suggests in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1572243422?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=storiedmindco-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1572243422">Loving Someone with Bipolar Disorder</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=storiedmindco-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1572243422" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt=" Talking to Depression   2" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" title="Talking to Depression   2" />, making lists of what works with your partner and yourself is a helpful starting point. That process begins by writing down changes in behavior and learning how those changes relate to the symptoms of depression. </p>
<p>Then, it&#8217;s important to list the specific actions, tones of voice, words and physical gestures &#8211; everything you perceive when the familiar partner is slipping away into depression.  These steps make it clear that depressed partners are no longer the same people you&#8217;ve known but have been transformed by a condition they may not recognize at all or just can&#8217;t control. Next, think about your own responses to what the &#8220;new&#8221; and estranged partners are doing. By writing down those reactions &#8211; not just the feelings but also what you&#8217;ve said and done &#8211; it may be possible to separate the responses that seemed to get nowhere from those that helped move toward a truer dialogue.</p>
<p>Julie Fast gives many examples of how to focus on what works, but she also understands how hard it is. Faced with irrational and abusive attacks that threaten the core relationship and tear into one&#8217;s own self-esteem, no one can stand back and calmly set aside the raw emotions of the moment. For one thing, the &#8220;well&#8221; partners have plenty of issues of their own. They may have experience with depression, anxiety, fears of abandonment, damaged self-esteem, a history of abuse. Everyone has vulnerabilities, and it is often those dimensions that are the targets of of a depressed partner&#8217;s abuse.</p>
<p>To be most effective, though, learning from such methods has to be shared, if at all possible. The burden can&#8217;t fall on one person. In our case, I had enough periods when depression receded that I could work with my wife in therapy and begin practicing ways of catching myself early on. That didn&#8217;t stop repeated episodes of illness, but it did give my wife something to appeal to when I started going into a tailspin. She could tell me what she was observing before I got out of control &#8211; the initial irritability, obsessive thinking, secluding myself, constant frowning, never looking directly at her. Her ability to do this gave me pause because I could see where I was heading. If I could admit to her that she was right, I was getting depressed, we could both focus on the illness instead of getting into a blaming match.</p>
<p>Many depressed partners are beyond reach and refuse to talk at all. Even in those cases, though, working through this method alone at least helps partners of the depressed avoid self-blame or the trap of believing they can fix the problem on their own.</p>
<p>But no matter how severe the depression, the effects of abuse and irrationality are real and can&#8217;t be allowed to continue. It&#8217;s especially important for the unreachable partners to face the consequences of the pain and damage they inflict on their familes. If nothing else works, a boundary has to be sharply drawn. More than once, I faced an ultimatum from my wife, and that forced me to acknowledge the havoc I was causing and to get serious about treatment. As addicts often say, it wasn&#8217;t until they lost everything that they finally admitted they were out of control and could begin recovery. Unchecked depression can be that bad. The illness pushes everyone affected by it toward destruction, and it can take extreme measures to stop it.</p>
<p>These methods helped us avoid the extreme, but every relationship has different needs. Does this one sound feasible in your case? Have you found any method that works for you? </p>
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		<description><![CDATA[Some Rights Reserved by Daquella_manera at Flickr Talking to the depression of a spouse or partner is usually a no-win trap. I speak from the experience of having angrily fought off so many attempts my wife made over the years simply to let me know that something was deeply wrong. Depression is the intruder in [...]]]></description>
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<p>Talking to the depression of a spouse or partner is usually a no-win trap. I speak from the experience of having angrily fought off so many attempts my wife made over the years simply to let me know that something was deeply wrong. Depression is the intruder in any intimate relationship. It creates a replica of the person you know and love, like the pod people of the Body Snatchers films &#8211; identical bodies taking the life away from the man or woman living with you and substituting a terrifying, unknown being. </p>
<p>People enduring the pain of relationships distorted by depression tell their stories over and over again in the user groups, blogs, forums and message boards of the internet. These partners to depression, often bewildered and desperate, need the outpouring of support they get on these sites, but they want more than that. They want to know what to do.</p>
<p>Advice is easy to come by on the forums, and we&#8217;ve all had mixed experiences with it. Sometimes, it&#8217;s enormously helpful, but it can be preachy, dogmatic, irrelevant and even offensive or wounding. But whatever the shortcomings of the help offered, I find it always to be passionate. Most of the participants online have learned what they know from hard experience, and sharing it is usually part of their own healing. Despite having to sort through much that is not relevant to my situation, I keep returning to these forums to understand more about the struggle of living with depression.</p>
<p>But I have a very different experience when I turn to some of the best known books offering analysis and advice on how to respond to a depressed partner. I&#8217;m going to avoid names here because there seems to be a more generic problem than one I find in a single writer. It&#8217;s a very tricky thing to offer step by step advice to people dealing with depression because the term covers a multitude of conditions along a spectrum from mild to suicidal. </p>
<p>The best writers, from my perspective, ground advice in their own experience with the illness and are helpful in guiding readers to adapt the suggestions to their own unique circumstances. I find Julie Fast&#8217;s work &#8211; though dealing with bipolar rather than depression, (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1572243422?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=storiedmindco-20&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1789&#038;creative=9325&#038;creativeASIN=1572243422">Loving Someone with Bipolar Disorder</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=storiedmindco-20&#038;l=as2&#038;o=1&#038;a=1572243422" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt=" Talking to Depression   1 " style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" title="Talking to Depression   1 " />) to be very helpful for just these reasons.<span id="more-1077"></span></p>
<p>Many other writers have their own websites and forums, and I often find a strange break between the down-to-earth advice found in their online sites and the overly neat prescriptions in their books. Now, please understand that I have enormous respect for each of these authors. Their books are best sellers, and they have helped thousands of people better understand how to deal with depression. But I&#8217;d like to review a few of the problems that most trouble me as I search for advice that would be helpful in my own marriage.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an exchange from a popular forum that captures what bothers me about the advice in one such book. A woman had posted a few times and expressed enormous relief and gratitude at finding this source of help and support. Following is a response to one of her statements &#8211; quoted first below.</p>
<p> &#8220;&#8230;. I am still trying to persuade him to get help, but so far with no luck.&#8221;</p>
<p><em>Response:</em>&#8220;Stop doing that. All he will do is actively resist it. If you make him an appointment [with a therapist], he thinks you are (s)mothering him, and he resents it. Not will. He does.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;Really, I should stop trying to persuade him? I just read the chapter in [author's book] about using persuasive techniques &#8212; so that&#8217;s what I tried. I guess I&#8217;ll stop.&#8221;</p>
<p>The woman seeking help is so hurt and confused that she is grabbing whatever advice comes her way. The book&#8217;s prescriptions about how to persuade her husband to get help sounded so clear and doable that she went for it. Finding that contradicted by an experienced contributor to the forum, she goes for the new suggestion &#8211; advice which makes more sense in the context of my own experience. The problem with the book&#8217;s advice was that it ignored the storm of intense emotion and conflicting feelings in relationships damaged by depression. </p>
<p>In re-reading several books of this type, I&#8217;ve listed out a few of the things I find most troubling.</p>
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<p>They often present a stereotype of the depressed partner as incapable of thinking rationally, helpless, needing to be guided like a child, needing to be treated and talked to carefully lest the wrong words trigger an angry or violent reaction. Of course, there&#8217;s an element of truth in this, but there&#8217;s a lot more going on. Denial is not the same as irrationality. To use myself as an example &#8211; though I know I&#8217;m not unique in this &#8211; my rational mind is often functioning perfectly well, but in the midst of depression it is disconnected from what I&#8217;m feeling and capable of doing. The best support comes from understanding that I&#8217;m in the grip of something I haven&#8217;t been able to control, not from assuming I can&#8217;t think straight.</p>
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<p>Despite the characterization of irrationality, the advice is completely rational. Here are the stages you as the non-depressed partner go through, here are the steps to take in dealing with the depressed partner. Here is what you should say, here is what you shouldn&#8217;t say. I don&#8217;t believe it&#8217;s possible to use rational techniques of persuasion with a person in the midst of depression.  More fundamentally, it&#8217;s not the words themselves that cause a negative reaction. It&#8217;s the attitude and feeling behind them. If I hear scripted words coated in reassuring tones that conceal hurt or anger &#8211; I&#8217;m not going to be fooled or pay much attention.</p>
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<li>The advice also tends to assume that the undepressed partner has a big responsibility to help change the troubled one. First, this is unfair. Only the depressed person can initiate change. Second, I worry that a person trying these techniques, which in many cases will fail, will believe they&#8217;re not up to the job of overcoming the partner&#8217;s resistance. That not only damages self-esteem, it reinforces the idea that they may have contributed to the onset of depression. Or worse &#8211; they might come to feel that success in changing the partner will make them happy That&#8217;s almost a formula for codependence &#8211; putting the depressed person&#8217;s state of feeling above your own and making it a condition of your wellbeing.</li>
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<p>There is a lot that the better books get right, but the priorities are often backwards. They emphasize that depression is the problem, not the relationship or the partner. Even though the impact of the practical advice might contradict this, it&#8217;s the single most reassuring thing a reader needs to understand. There&#8217;s an illness here; it&#8217;s not your fault. They also get to another key point, that the undepressed partners need to take care of themselves by drawing behavioral boundaries, setting conditions for what they can&#8217;t tolerate and backing those conditions with action, even if it means leaving the relationship. The problem is that these books often get to these points last, when they should be first and give shape to everything else.</p>
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<p>Lastly, the books seem to assume that this drama is a one-time thing. If the techniques are applied and work, the relationship is saved and happiness results. If they fail, the relationship may well end. But, while many people may endure only one major episode of depression, it&#8217;s more likely that there will be many more. Having dealt successfully with one doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that the next will yield in the same way. Both members of a relationship need to understand this possibility. They may well be in training for a long struggle.</p>
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<p>Another anecdote posted by the same woman quoted above is worth repeating here. She and her husband went to a family gathering where he was completely sociable, happy and at ease. Overcome by the terrible difference between his behavior in that setting and his silence and abuse at home, she burst into tears. The husband saw this, as did other members of the family. They told him &#8211; You&#8217;re wife is crying, you have to do something. This finally got through to him. On the way home, he told her that he probably needed to get help. A small step, but a huge change for him.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the way change can begin to happen. No learned strategies, no persuasive words spoken by the wife, simply the genuine emotion of a life falling apart. Added to that was the witness of concerned relatives outside the marriage. What could be more powerful than that?</p>
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